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Suzuki gsxr750 08-10 The FP Billet SUPERFLARE stacks ROCK! The Shift STAR kit makes shifting silk SWEET! The FP Ignition Advance kit SMOKES a +/- 2 degree (it's NOT +/- "10" degrees) PC Ignition Module (as our plate really DOES advance the timing 4 degrees! The TEKA SFI Fuel Injection tool will adjust your FI. Equipping your 750 with the 3 items and tuning the stock FI with the Teka SFI on a Factory Pro EC997 dyne system provides enough power to win an AFM roadrace!
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Factory Pro's Billet SUPERFLARE Stacks Even more upper midrange power |
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Factory Pro's Ignition Advance Kit 100% reliable advance method.. |
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Factory Pro's GSXR Shift STAR Kit wicked good shifting! |
Factory
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gsxr750 Factory Pro The combination of specific lengths, shapes and cross
sectional values is what makes it all work. We tested from
25mm to 80mm lengths on
the 08-10 750 in pairs in 5 and 10mm increments
on an EC997 dyno. The interesting thing is that even a 10mm change in
length on just 2 of the stacks ruined the perfectly smooth shape of
the curve - and helped no single part of the rpm band. But that's all good. I know that you simply have to try to make Best Power. It's the same with "tuning to an af ratio". We tried that and it usually failed in real world proof - we tune to Best Power now. |
Billet Superflare
tm Velocity Stacks If one dyno tunes to
Best Power, results may be a bit better. If dyno tuned "to
an AF ratio" instead of Best Power, your will get less of a
power improvement. The power range, as is becoming a trademark of
Factory Pro's
EC997
dyno R&D based procedures, features a much stronger upper midrange.
At
6,000, 7,000, 8,000,
(same hp at 9,000) 10,000, 11,000 and 12,000 rpms, we gained
2 - 3 - 4 True HP. As is becoming more and more commonly known, this power may or may not show up on a common dealership level dyno - even though the rider feels it and you can see it on a proper load dyno, like the EC997 dyno. It's not a stack problem, it's a dealership level dyno accuracy problem. It's the reason why F-USA / ASRA uses the EC997 dyno to measure True HP and no longer uses a dealership level dyno for race power testing. The EC997 dyno is the same dyno that National #1 Vesrah Racing, Suzuki NZ, Robert Jensen and AMA race winning Jordan Racing uses. Hey - Notice how many successful privateer teams use an EC997 dyno? The new quickchange patented Factory Pro Billet stacks will launch your new Suz into "Best in Class" True HP range - even with a stock exhaust!! Hmmm.... Well, since Suzuki is the only one making a high hp 750.... let's just say that you will have a much quicker Suzuki 750! pn: VEL-S51-4040 $289.95
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RED is Stacks, comp exhaust and K&N >>>
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All HP is True HP Scale To get dynojet HP, multiply True HP x about 1.15% so, 117.7 True HP x 1.15 = ~134. Now... a caveat- that HP conversion works, but many dj dynos allow undocumented / unrecorded wheel slippage and they aren't all calibrated the same - so, the 15% inflation factor is a rough approximation of what am "average reading" dj dyno if the rear tire isn't slipping - and it often does on high hp bikes. |
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Factory Pro Ignition Advance Plate
Pretty easy to install - 06-07 Verified fitment Below:
A different bike than above,
RTR-SUZ-37-04 Ignition Advance on a stock engine with
This advance kit really advances the ignition timing 4 degrees This simple,
bolt-on advance kit advances the timing 4 degrees. With stock engines
with stock compression ratios, there is more power everywhere. Part
throttle power is better - helping corner exit speeds. Improved in-town
driveability and quicker warm up.
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Power Commander Ignition Module Notes In my experience, the $350 Power
Commander Ignition module "says" +/- "10", but it really only seems
to change the ignition timing about +/-2-3 degrees (as of at least
02/09). This was backed up by a DJ importer's experience. Testing on
real load dyno, under realistic load, multiple DJ Ignition Modules on 600's
and 1000's show that DJ +10 to DJ -10 "DJ degrees" equals aromd a 1%
to 2% HP spread. You can't change the ignition timing 20 degrees
and only affect the power by a couple percent - That's an obvious fact. Now - I'm still perplexed about the guy who
posted that he gained 7 HP on his dynojet dyno with a "+5" setting on his DJ Ign
Module! - .5 DJ degrees / about
1 REAL degree = 5 hp? and also perplexed about the ignition map that I got from
a DJ sponsored Race team that showed +1 and +2 and -1's in their
"official" map! Lessee? They changed the ignition timing a miniscule
real .2 degree and they could see that hp change? A significant ignition timing change, that power can be measured would MAYBE be a real 1 degree - but you can only measure the HP change if the fuel mixture is absolutely PERFECT for Best power (NOT to misleading dealership level "AFR tuning") already - Normally, a REAL 2 degrees ignition timing change will change the power (on a Perfectly fueled engine) by about 1%. (example 100 True HP > 101 True HP if a "good direction change" OR 99 True HP if it was "the wrong 2 deg direction change"). So - the only reason to run a DJ Ignition
Module is to use a DJ Quickshifter (until the TEKA 4 QS upgrade is released) When tuning on and EC997 dyno,
(which has the capability of measuring .1 to .2 HP changes), essentially, there
are only a couple of DJ Ign Module settings: So - what does that tell you? (I'm sure that the guy who got "7 DJHP" with a real 1 degree
(aka: 5 Dynojet degrees) isn't my buddy right about now, though....) Best regards - Marc
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Fuel Injection Tuning, Teka SFI (Suzuki Fuel Injection Tool) |
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The TEKA line of fuel injection products features
the |
Teka SFI As compared to a power commander, Major features are virtually 100% reliability, as the reliability is the same as the stock ECU and there is no permanently mounted add-on box to fail and changes take 30 seconds and NO laptop. Realtime tuning, no maps to lose, no problems with RF interference, no computer required to tune, no instant 1% to 2% hp loss w/ zero map, Easy to tune at the track on the pit wall, takes only about 20 seconds to make changes, easy to change during a 600 mile service, easy to tune for those new pipes your parts dept. just sold, no waiting in line for someone to non-optimally "tune to an a/f ratio", fits in your back pocket, digital accuracy, and do one, a 100 or a 1000 bikes. Team Vesrah, Suzuki Cup World Champion
Robert Jensen, Hooters Racing and many more have and use the TEKA SFi. In a championship race, even one power commander failure can mean winning the overall and finishing second in a years worth of work - Verified working 100% on the 2008 gsxr750 Tuning plug is located behind the battery, about 12", under the subframe, and under the charcoal canister, right hand side. Must remove the right side frame cover (below the seat) Remove the charcoal canister and it's about 2" forward of it. |
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MMT Power Switch After tuning with
a Teka SFI 2, MMT plugs right in to the bikes tuning port (same as the SFI). If tuning with the SFI 2 / MMT combination: If tuning with the MMT only (without custom SFI
tuning): If you first install an MMT and decide the have
it custom tuned with the SFI 2, no problem. Then, you still have the ability to "trim" map for conditions with the Power Select Switch - and you even have, by setting it at "0", to recheck how the "zero" map was in comparison to your "SFI Tuned Map". EZ install - all stock connectors, no splicing. |
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Yoshimura EMS Pro ECU
Yoshimura branded Denso software, it's a slightly more complex Denso
ecu tuning package than the Kawasaki and Honda Denso kit ecu tuning softwares (which
are very similar), but, oddly, still with serial port hardware. Using a USB to serial
adapter can be sketchy.
Interface, like the Kaw and Honda versions, is odd and initially somewhat confusing,
even if you read the large, but, sparse(!) manual.
I'd still recommend it the Suzuki kit stuff, because if it's like any other Denso
ecu, it will probably be stone reliable, unlike add-on fuel injection boxes (especially
when using TWO double trouble add-on boxes, like the pc3 and an Ign module).
No problem tuning the EMS Pro to Best Power with the
EC997 dyno system. EC997 locations -
click here.
No problem using a Teka SFI injection adjusting tool with a pc3, either.
Dyne System
We use the EC997 Low Inertia Eddy Current
dyne system, exclusively. It's fast and accurate load and rpm control allows much
better accuracy and allows us to incrementally tune to finer degrees than common
dealership level dynos. A lot of small increments add up to a significant chunk
of power!
To see a good dyno (Factory Pro EC997....) do a power check at a
14k to single digit rpm precision -
click here
Try that with a dealership level dyno........
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Kim Nakashima's 06 750 at 10pm |
Kim Nakashima April 19, 2006 Tuned with Suzuki Denso Kit ECU (Yoshimura EMS Pro) TiForce exhaust (only has one short muffler) "Built" engine. ~131 True HP (as compared to ~120 to 124 on an AMAish 05 750) Comments: I love this bike! It's as smooth as a Yamaha, clean, strong and handles beautifully! Oh... and the TiForce is LOUD! Make sure you get this pipe if you want to scare women, small children, cats and dogs. Good power, though. Marc |
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Gary Combs April 19,
2006 Tuned with Suzuki Denso Kit ECU (Yoshimura EMS Pro) TiForce exhaust (only has one short muffler) April 19, 2006 ~130 True HP (as compared to ~120 to 124 on an 2005 750) Comments: Same as the above one. Marc |
Power Commander Ignition Module Notes
In my experience, the $350 Power Commander Ignition
module "says" +/- "10", but it really only seems to change the ignition timing about
+/-2 degrees (as of at least 10/2007). This was backed up by a DJ importer's
experience.
According to a customer, dj told him that ignition timing, doesn't affect
power very much.
That's just "eye rollingly" WRONG.
Factory Pro has over 30 years of research and development in high accuracy tuning
in general and 20 years in producing Ignition Advancers (which REALLY DO change
the ignition timing!) and we've been producing dynamometers that read to .1
and .2 HP increments.
Testing on
real load dyno,
under realistic load, multiple DJ Ignition Modules on 600's and 1000's show that
DJ +10 to DJ -10 "DJ degrees" equals less than a 1% to 2% HP spread!.
Now, come on! :-) How could you change ignition timing a supposed "TWENTY
DEGREES" and only affect the HP by 1% to 2%????
You can't change the ignition timing 20 degrees
and only affect the power by a couple percent - That's an obvious fact.
If you had "Best Power" ignition timing set and you retard or advance the timing
a REAL 10 degrees, the bike world hardly run, losing around 10% - 20% True HP
if you retarded it.
if you advanced it a real 10 degrees, you'd lose a bunch of power, too and also,
likely, give it fits of detonation.
Now - I'm still perplexed about the guy who posted
that he gained 7 HP on his dynojet dyno with a "+5" setting on his DJ Ign Module!
- (I'll reserve comments, for once).....5 DJ degrees / ~1 REAL degree = 5 hp???
<roll eyes emoticon>) and also perplexed about the ignition map that I got from
a DJ sponsored Yamaha Race team that showed +1 and +2 and -1's in their "official"
R6 map! Lessee? They changed the ignition timing a miniscule real .2 degrees
and they could see that hp change????? Fantasy.........
The R6? It actually wanted more than 10 "dynojet degrees" at almost every part throttle
position for Best Power settings and all of the full throttle settings ended up
at +5 to +10 "dynojet degrees". Compare that to the zero settings at full throttle
that were supplied and the +1, +2 an +3 "dj degree" settings that were supplied.
A significant ignition timing change that power can be measured would MAYBE be a real 1 degree - but you can only measure the HP change if the fuel mixture is absolutely PERFECT for Best power (NOT to misleading dealership level "AFR tuning") already -
Normally, a REAL 2 degrees ignition timing change will change the power (on a Perfectly fueled engine) by about 1%.
(example 100 True HP > 101 True HP if a "good direction change" OR 99 True HP if it was "the wrong direction change").
So - the only reason to run a DJ Ignition Module
is to use a DJ Quickshifter (until the TEKA 4 QS upgrade is released)
the DJ Ignition function is, otherwise, essentially $350 useless cost.
When tuning on and
EC997 dyno,
(which has the capability of measuring .1 to .2 HP changes), essentially, there
are only a couple of DJ Ign Module settings:
Zero
+ or - 5 Dynojet degrees or
+ or 1 10 Dynojet degrees
Don't expect huge HP changes - as, as described above, you'll see 1 or 2 hp at best.
So - what does that tell you?
That you need to do testing on a high quality dyne system, like the
Factory Pro EC997 .
Then, you too, can learn all these "unpopular" facts!
Like inertia HP isn't real HP in the real world, dj hp numbers are bogus, tuning
to an AFR for best performance is a myth....
Join Jordan Racing and Vesrah Racing and Suzuki NZ -
(I'm sure that the guy who got "7 DJHP" with a
real 1 degree (aka: 5 Dynojet degrees) isn't my buddy right about now, though....)
Best regards - Marc
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Maybe in next rewrite, he'll fix the ignition timing and dyno chapters... Otherwise great book with great starting ideas. |
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